Tuesday, December 07, 2004


This is a copy of the original story that I posted on The BRAD BLOG yesterday in this affair. The story that has made it impossible to get to that site right now!

I have many more documents and info, that I will try and dump on this site shortly! Here's the original story again (some of the original formatting may have gotten lost in the translation here, I will try to fix as necessary and noticed):

WHISTLEBLOWER AFFIDAVIT: Programmer Built Vote Rigging Prototype at Republican Congressman's Request!

CLAIM: Rep. Tom Feeney (R-FL) Asked Company to Create E-Vote Fraud Software!


In stunning revelations set to rock the vote from Tallahassee to Capitol Hill -- and perhaps even a bit further up Pennsylvania Avenue -- a Florida computer programmer has now made remarkable claims in a detailed sworn affidavit, signed this morning and obtained exclusively by The BRAD BLOG!

- Affidavit in .PDF format

The programmer claims that he designed and built a "vote rigging" software program at the behest of then Florida Congressman, now U.S. Congressman, Republican Tom Feeney of Florida's 24th Congressional District.

Clint Curtis, 46, claims that he built the software for Feeney in 2000 while working at a sofware design and engineering company in Oviedo, Florida (Feeney's home district).

Curtis, in his affidavit, says that as technical advisor and programmer at Yang Enterprises, Inc. (YEI) he was present at company meetings where Feeney was present "on at least a dozen occasions".

Feeney, who had run in 1994 as Jeb Bush's running-mate in his initial unsuccessful bid for Florida Governor, was serving as both corporate counsel and registered lobbyist for YEI during the period that Curtis worked at the company. Feeney was also concurrently serving as a Florida state congressman while performing those services for YEI. Feeney would eventually become Speaker of the Florida House before being elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in 2002. He is now a member of the U.S. House Judiciary Committee.

At an October 2000 meeting with Feeney, according to the affidavit and BRAD BLOG interviews with Curtis over the past three days, Feeney inquired whether the company could build a "vote fraud software prototype".

At least three YEI employees are said to have been present at that meeting; Curtis, company owner, Mrs. Li Woan Yang, and her executive secretary, Mike Cohen. Two other YEI employees may have come in and out at different points of the meeting according to Curtis.

Curtis says that Feeney "was very specific in the design and specifications required for this program. "He detailed, in his own words, that; (a) the program needed to be touch-screen capable (b) the user should be able to trigger the program without any additional equipment (c) the programming to accomplish this needed to stay hidden even if the source code was inspected."

Though there was no problem with the first two requirements, Curtis explained to the Congressman that it would be "virtually impossible to hide such code written to change the voting results if anyone is able to review the uncompiled source code"Nonetheless, he was asked at the meeting by Mrs. Yang to build the prototype anyway.

Curtis, "a life-long Republican" at the time, claims that it was his initial belief that Feeney's interest was in trying to stop Democrats from using "such a program to steal an election". Curtis had assumed that Feeney, "wanted to be able to detect and prevent that if it occurred."Upon delivery of the software design and documentation on CD to Mrs. Yang, Curtis again explained to her that it would be impossible to hide routines created to manipulate the vote if anybody would be able to inspect the precompiled source code.

Mrs. Yang then told him, "You don’t understand, in order to get the contract we have to hide the manipulation in the source code. This program is needed to control the vote in South Florida." [emphasis in affidavit]Mrs. Yang then took the CD containing the software from Curtis, reportedly for later delivery to Feeney.

In other meetings with Feeny prior to the 2000 elections, it became clear to Curtis that Feeney had plans to suppress the vote in strong Democratic precincts. In the affidavit, Curtis claims that in those meetings Feeney had "bragged that he had already implemented 'exclusion lists' to reduce the 'black vote'." Feeney also mentioned that "proper placement of police patrols could further reduce the black vote by as much as 25%."

Curtis says that he submitted his resignation to YEI effective December 2000, but stayed on until they had found someone to replace him in February of 2001. He eventually became employed by the Florida Dept. of Transportation (FDOT) after leaving YEI.

But the scandals didn't stop there.In May of 2001, while at FDOT, Curtis and another FDOT employee, Mavis Georgalis, discovered and then reported several allegations to the Inspector General at FDOT concerning over-billing by YEI -- who had been an FDOT contractor -- and software that was never delivered by the company. Allegations also included the employment of a suspected illegal alien, Mr. Hai Lin Nee, who worked as YEI's "quality control" manager. Both Curtis and Georgalis were reportedly harassed after filing their complaints about malfeasance at YEI and pressure mounted on the FDOT -- purportedly from the powerful Feeney who was still working with YEI -- to have them both fired.

In November 2001, after Curtis filed his complaints at FDOT, both he and Georgalis' were subsequently sued by YEI "in retaliation" for their complaints against the company. The charge was "theft of intellectual property", which Curtis has catagorized as "ridiculous" in interviews, because the "intellectual property" in question was, in fact, software that FDOT had long ago paid YEI to develop for them.

YEI was represented in the lawsuit by Congressman Feeney's law firm.When the two had sought help from FDOT in fighting YEI's suit against them, they were told that FDOT couldn't help them because FDOT had not been named in the suit.After several rounds of court battles, Georgalis was finally successful in having FDOT added to the suit as a third co-defendant. The suit was originally filed in Seminole County, but moved to Leon County upon the addition of FDOT.

In April of 2002 -- on the very same day -- Curtis and Georgalis were both fired by FDOT without explanation.The Daytona Beach News-Journal reported extensively in 2002 on the case. They reported at the time that Curtis had written to the Inspector General at FDOT to inquire why no investigation had yet been made into YEI. As well, Curtis had contacted the Florida Bar, since Feeney was a member, to inform them that "Feeney has used his position to promote the profits of Yang Enterprises, from whom he received compensation under the guise of lobbyist and attorney."

According to The Orlando Sentinel in 2001, of 160 Florida congressmen, Feeney was the only known registered lobbyist. He would later be cleared of all ethics violations brought against him in the Florida house on these matters by the Ethics Committee which included four Republicans appointed to the committee by Feeney. Curtis was never interviewed by the Ethics Committee concerning his allegations.

After Curtis and Georgalis were fired by FDOT, each attempted to file "Whistleblower Suits" in the state of Florida. Georgalis' suit was successful and FDOT was eventually ordered, after lengthy court battles, to reinstate her with full back-pay by the circuit court. Curtis' suit was not successful due to having missed the filing deadline for the suit.

That suit, filed over three years ago, is still pending. The reason, explained Curtis, is that YEI has since avoided all defendants attempts to depose company employees in the case.

By May of 2002, the FDOT had finally taken up the investigation into malfeasance by YEI.

In one particularly chilling paragraph in the affidavit, Curtis explains what became of Raymond Lemme, the inspector at FDOT who was said to be pursing the allegations against YEI, Tom Feeney and the other reported matters:

" [I]n June of 2003, he told me that he had tracked the corruption 'all the way to the top' and that the story would break in the next few weeks and I would be satisfied with the results. A few weeks later, on July 1st, Mr. Lemme was found dead with his arm slashed in a hotel room in Valdosta, Georgia."

The death was ruled a suicide by the Valdosta Police. The BRAD BLOG has obtained and is currently reviewing many official documents related to Mr. Lemme's death.

Mr. Hai Lin Nee, "the ilegal alien" who had worked at YEI and was reported by Curtis, was arrested in March of 2004 on espionage charges which included "shipping radar guidance system chips for Hellfire Anti-Tank Missiles to a company in Communist China."Curtis discussed in detail, during our interviews, Mr. Nee having placed "wiretapping modules" into software code created by the company. The secret "wiretapping modules", Curtis claims, were to download information from programs built by YEI for contractors, and then either copy or send that information via Email back to YEI. Such software, Curtis claims, was created for companies such as NASA with whom YEI held substantial contracts.

According to both the Curtis affidavit and email dated November 22, 2004 obtained by The BRAD BLOG, YEI is currently under investigation by the FBI.

That information was sent to Curtis after he had attempted on several occassions to notify law enforcement authorities of his seemingly remarkable story of espionage, possible vote tampering and other ethical concerns.

In July of this year, in an email we've reviewed which purports to be from a current YEI employee whose name we are withholding, Curtis was sent the following message in regard to a book that the employee had learned Curtis was working on:

They know about the book. You should not have sent it to a bush supporter. They are going crazy...like they weren't after you already.

So I get to warn you AGAIN. They will do everything thwey [sic] can to keep it from getting published. They are also going to try to take you out again. Don't be alone. They specifically want to limit casualities to just you. As long as they can't catch you alone they won't touch you. You are such a loser........


In what he describes as "an attempt to get this story out there", Curtis told part of the tale on a website, http://www.justaflyonthewall.com/ where he has changed the names of some of the specific parties involved. (e.g. "Wong" is substituted for "Yang" on the site)

Additional charges by Curtis also include that databases and information were routinely sent by Mrs. Yang to her brother in China who, Yang had told Curtis on one occasion, had previously been deported for "being a spy". The BRAD BLOG has not yet been able to confirm the espionage charges concerning Mrs. Yang's brother.Curtis' affidavit is being turned over this afternoon to staffers at the U.S. House Judiciary Committee. An investigation into Curtis' story is pending.

While we've been working on this story for several days in order to get it right, we had hoped to hold it a bit longer to confirm a few more of the details. As well, we had hoped to allow the Judiciary Committee and others time to comment before making this story widely available.

However, as of late Sunday night, Curtis' story has been reported elsewhere on the Internet by Wayne Madsen. His detailed account references an older, very short affidavit that Curtis had made in regards to the information contained in a self-published book on some of these matters.While Madsen's article was independently researched and reported -- and offers some very good detail in relation to Curtis, YEI, FDOT and Feeney, much of which that we can confirm -- he then ties those stories to a much grander CIA/Bush family conspiracy.While we have looked somewhat cursorily over the last several weeks into some of the larger matters which Madsen discusses, and has been reporting on for some time, we cannot confirm any of those grander details as playing any part in this particular story. While his claims may be true, The BRAD BLOG has seen no evidence to support them as being related to the Curtis story at this time.

Frankly, we find the information related in Curtis' sworn affidavit, and via our interviews with him and others directly related to his story to be rather stunning as is, and we will stand by our reporting of those matters at this time.

Given the importance of the many allegations in his story if they are true -- and we have so far been unable to identify any major holes or discrepancies in his information -- we thought it necessary to release the full details contained in this sworn affidavit immediately so that Curtis' story and the explosive allegations contained therein could be more accurately assessed.


Brad Friedman is a freelance writer, investigative blogger, software designer and all around trouble maker. He broke the story of the "White House Website Scrubbing" amongst other stories, and has been closely following the story of "GRAND THEFT AMERICA" since Election Day at his site, The BRAD BLOG, which can be read -- when it's not being overwhelmed by traffic -- at http://www.BradBlog.com


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great. Thanks for sharing your insights on this developing story, making the distinctions between the Curtis case and what Madsen has been writing, and offering a response to some of Bev Harris concerns.

12/08/2004 5:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the fact that the diebold machines were powered by windows nt is enough to invstigate fraud. also, the fact that voting "started" a day early in florida should be looked at more closely. everyone knew it would happen, when it did, no one was surprised. either way, this country is fucked over for a few more years.

12/08/2004 9:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please, take this slow.....Bush is an idiot with a little wee wee, but Karl Rove is a dark prince and is capable of anything to discredit blogging.

12/10/2004 7:01 AM  
Blogger Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins said...

This is essentially a rehash of the story presented a couple weeks ago at the online-journal.com website. The story didn't hold water there, and it doesn't hold water now.

Many of the claims that are parrotted in this article from the online-journal article have been toned down enough to be believable. The original article in the second paragraph talked about how Curtis made a cross-platform compatible Visual Basic program (a laughable concept, at best). Of course I see no mention of it here, and I can only attribute that to selective reporting by Brad Blog (and his technical background and activist reporting), throwing out many of the spurious claims made by the people involved with this story.

The technical specifications in this article are somewhat uninformed as well, or at the very least improbable, and the insinuations dramatic. Tripe. Moderately well researched tripe, but tripe none-the-less.

12/11/2004 6:47 PM  
Blogger BradF said...

Thanks for your comments, Rizzn.

Mr. Madsen's article was researched independently from mine and published (I believe) on the same day as mine (as opposed to "several weeks ago" as you mentioned).

Mr. Madsen can speak for his article. I will stand behind mine. Some further points concerning the information in his article -- which was not based on the affidavit released with ours -- can be read here.

12/11/2004 7:46 PM  
Blogger Knight_Tyme said...

Be Wary of Liberals Bearing Bloggs
By Leo Johnson

To all the honest bloggers out there, take note you’re under attack and your beloved blogger-shpere will be hijacked by the leftist/liberal/socialist agenda

I will offer to you, a list of opinions on why I believe that is about to occur, (for the liberally impaired, please note: opinions are not facts).

I’m well aware that bloggers come in all shapes, sizes and flavors; I (personally) thank God and the framers of the Constitution for that.

On the other hand Leftist/Socialist have to thank Darwin, The DNC, Madonna (no silly, the singer), Al Franklyn, little “g” god, MTV, Mother Nature, PETA, The NY Times, Random chance, The CBS news and of course the holiest of all holies, the one and only true god that all leftist/liberal/socialist pray to, the ACLU [pronounced AK’-Loo] (holy music should play here)

Personally, I like the shorter route of; God and Country… Ok, ok I know I’m way out there in bias-opinion land but I just had to take that tangent, I’ll get back to the point at hand.

I know some of you are already upset with me, but please let me offer some facts to bolster my OPINION. Before I start, I know that throwing facts at a liberal is much like throwing holy water at a vampire, both will get you bulging eyes and forming mouths along with a barrage of profanity and mostly un-intelligible comments. But no matter, here it goes…

Fact: Bloggers where widely credited for exposing the CBS memo-gate debacle, and along with that, came the 1st resounding ring to the end of the old media’s strangle hold on the news we digest. (Thank you bloggers everywhere)

Fact: That recognition has also brought along bandwagon jumping, fair weather, politically motivated old-media types jumping into the fray attempting to “cash-in” on that recognition.

Opinion: That “cash-in” may not be in money but in trying to mold the new media into a clone of the old media, thus maintaining control (I know I’m on tangent again… But I had to close in on that point)

Fact: Bloggers have already been used by the leftist/liberal/socialist groups. Case and point back before the election bloggers throughout the country where posting articles claming plots and plan for the return of the draft. The whole concept of the draft returning was a ploy used by the Democratic Party. They used bloggers and it worked! Now don’t take my word for it… look for yourself in this New York Times article (yes I did say New York Times);

October 6, 2004
Bill to Restore the Draft Is Defeated in the House

WASHINGTON, Oct. 5 - Trying to quiet fears of a return of the draft, the House Republican leadership engaged in a hasty call-up of its own on Tuesday. The Republicans brought to the floor a Democratic-sponsored proposal to reinstate mandatory military service and presided over its overwhelming defeat on a vote of 402 to 2.

"We're going to put a nail in that coffin," said the House majority leader, Representative Tom DeLay of Texas. He accused Democrats of generating opposition to President Bush - especially on college campuses - by raising the idea that the draft might be re-established after the November election to provide troops for service in Iraq.

Democrats were outraged at the tactic, charging Republicans with a cynical political ploy on a matter that merited more thoughtful hearings and debate. The Democrats originally
introduced the measure early last year as a way to protest the war, even before it began, and to spotlight how low- and middle-income Americans shoulder much of the burden of serving in the military.

"It is a prostitution of the legislative process to take a serious issue and use it for political purposes on the eve of the election just to say they are against the draft," said Representative Charles B. Rangel, Democrat of New York, the author of the bill, who ended up voting against it.

With the military strained by its operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, talk of a return of the draft - discontinued in 1973 during the Vietnam War - has persisted, fueled by e-mail and Internet chatter warning of a new draft once the election is concluded. The activist group Rock the Vote, which seeks to register young Americans to vote, has also broadcast public service announcements pointing to the draft as an important campaign issue.

Members of Congress are regularly asked about the idea as well, often by worried parents.

"This is the issue that will not go away," said Representative Jim McDermott, Democrat of Washington. He and other Democrats suggested again on Tuesday that Mr. Bush's re-election could mean a return of the draft, because the administration is already calling back reservists and halting the discharge of military personnel. Senator John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate, has referred to such moves as a backdoor draft.

"How big a step is it from where we are right now to the president saying it is the national interest that everyone serves?" asked Mr. McDermott.

Republicans portrayed such claims as part of a pre-election fraud. "The reason we are doing this is to expose the hoax of the year, which has been needlessly scaring young people," said Representative Duncan Hunter of California, chairman of the Armed Services Committee.

Administration officials including Mr. Bush and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld have said they have absolutely no plans to restore the draft and believe that the all-volunteer military is the proper way to field troops. Both of them have reiterated that position in recent days.

"We will not have a draft so long as I'm the president of the United States," Mr. Bush said to applause from a crowd in Iowa on Monday.

"We do not need a draft," Mr. Rumsfeld said during a radio interview with Sean Hannity. "We've got, you know, 295 million people in this country and we have an active force of about 1.4 million and we are having no trouble at all attracting and retaining the people that we need to serve in the Armed Forces."

Some Democrats said it was the administration's loss of credibility due to the failure to find chemical and biological weapons in Iraq and its mishandling of the aftermath that was to blame for worry about the draft. "The president's foreign policy is scaring the kids of this country," said Representative Tim Ryan, Democrat of Ohio.

The Internet traffic on the draft often cites as evidence of a future draft the measure sponsored by Mr. Rangel, which would require two years of military service or the alternative of national service, as well as its companion in the Senate sponsored by Senator Ernest F. Hollings, Democrat of South Carolina.

The issue has also gotten an airing from Rock the Vote. Officials of the group have said the draft is a subject that should be addressed in detail by the presidential contenders. "We are not saying there is going to be a draft," said Jay Strell, a spokesman for the group. "What we are saying is we need to have an open an honest dialogue about this based on the facts."

With lawmakers acutely aware of the potential political ramifications of backing a draft, the Rangel measure languished without much attention until the Republican leadership decided to force it to the floor to make a political point.

One lawmaker spoke in favor of the bill, saying it was time Congress gave some thought to future military manpower needs.
"I believe we have to start looking at this right now," said Representative John Murtha of Pennsylvania, a leading Democrat on military issues. He was joined in backing the bill by Representative Fortney Stark, Democrat of California.

Senate officials said they had no intention of acting on a similar proposal, but the Democratic leader, Senator Tom Daschle, said he doubted the House vote would put the matter to rest.

"I would expect you're going to continue to see debates about the viability of a draft as we move forward," Mr. Daschle said
Fact: Only two Congressmen voted for the draft and they were Dem-o-crates (the vote was 400 to 2). If you note, it was the Democrats that drafted the bill in the 1st place. It was the Democrats that raised the issue and it was the Democrats that leaked the whole thing to bloggers and it was Democrats that cried foul when the Republicans brought it to a vote in order to defeat it. I’m sorry to say, but many bloggers got duped, plain and simple and with that success liberals see a fertile landscape for future plans.

Fact: It’s happening again, the latest Leftist ploy is to spew out the crazy notion that the election was rigged on a nation wide level. Now I can see many of my leftist friends out there foaming at the mouth ready to pounce, but before you leftist get your “Words of Wisdoms by fourteen olds” book to quote from, let me make my case.

My friends and I have been posting and counter posting one another debating on that very subject. (Personally I think I’m winning) in the following postings:

In the above posting Matthew and Joel cut and pasted an article by Larry Chin that laid out claims of a republican rigged election. (Good fiction I found it very entertaining) Here’s a bit;

"They have been given millions of dollars by the Bush regime to complete a sweeping computerization of voting machines that were just used in the 2004 election. The technology involved had a trial run during the 2002 mid-term elections. Georgia had Diebold machines in every precinct. As a result, a popular Democratic governor and senator were both unseated in what the media called an "amazing" 16 percent swing.

"Diebold's Walden O'Dell, a top Bush fundraiser, publicly committed himself to delivering his home state Ohio's votes to Bush. At Diebold, the election division is run by Bob Urosevich. Bob's brother, Todd, is a top executive at "rival" ES&S. The brothers were originally staked by Howard Ahmanson, a member of the Council For National Policy, a right-wing steering group stacked with Bush true believers. Ahmanson is also one of the bagmen behind the extremist Christian Reconstruction Movement, which advocates the theocratic takeover of American democracy.

I refuted such claims with my posting (above) that in part said:

Fact 1:
There is 3,007 entities named "County"
16 Boroughs in Alaska
11 Census Areas in Alaska (for areas not organized into Boroughs by the State)
64 Parishes in Louisiana
42 Independent Cities (1 in Maryland, 1 in Missouri, 1 in Nevada, and the remainder in Virginia)
1 District - the Federal District or District of Columbia.
Puerto Rico - 78 Municipios
U.S. Virgin Islands - 2 Districts
Guam - 19
Election Districts Northern Mariana Islands - 17
Districts American Samoa - 5 Districts
There are over 191,000 voting precincts.
(Source, USGS) http://interactive2.usgs.gov/faq/list_faq_by_category/get_answer.asp?id=785

Fact 2:
Those numbers would translate into 3,261 Supervisors of Elections, plus that each supervisor would have employees (ranging from 6 to thousands, each) plus each voting district would have a canvassing board with a minimum of 3 people each (from both parties and or an "independent Judge"), each state would have a Secretary of State or comptroller to oversee the results before submitting them to the US federal governments plus each party has delegates to account for each electoral vote. Let alone the 191,000 voting precincts that each has poll workers and polling observers each. That would be by conservative averages involve a total of 2,194,570 co-conspirators. (That's 652,400 SOE employees + 13,044 canvassing board members + 50 Secretaries of State + 1,076 Delegates + 1,528,000 poll place workers and observers). Who would need rigged software? Just let the co-conspirators vote.
(Source, http://www.us.gov/ , my calculator and some common sense)

After some goading I got Joel to respond, but sadly it was yet another cut and paste, of Dr. Steven F. Freeman’s article from buzzflash.com. If you’ll take note: He keeps referring to buzz flash as his primary source. Here’s an excerpt;

Fact #1
The Exit polls (which are used more and more in Democracies internationally to insure fair elections like in Ukraine) were consistently off in favor of Bush in Key state after key state on the night of election. Strangely enough, In "The Unexplained Exit Poll Discrepancy," Dr. Steven F. Freeman a Professor at the university of Pennsylvania says:

"As much as we can say in social science that something is impossible, it is impossible that the discrepancies between predicted and actual vote counts in the three critical battleground states [Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania] of the 2004 election could have been due to chance or random error."

The odds of those exit poll statistical anomalies occurring by chance are, according to Freeman, "250,000,000 to one." That's 250 MILLION to ONE.

Read the full report at

Let me pause for a second… I have to ask, what algorithm did the good Doctor use, to come up with the 250 million to one formula? I guess we’ll never know, somehow the Doc failed to include or mention it.

I replied in the above post by demonstrating how a conspiracy in the other direction was more likely; (I wanted to play liberal that day)

But, on the other hand, to rig the exit polling it would only take a fraction of co-conspirators to pull it off. According to Edison/Mitofsky http://www.exit-poll.net/faq.html (the people that ran the poll) the exit polling was, in part, as follows;

How many polling places will be in your sample?
Sample sizes vary from state to state. There will be 1,480 exit poll precincts throughout the country. In addition, there will be 2,995 quick count precincts where the vote count will be collected. The vote count comes from the precinct voting officials after the polls
If I put 3 pollsters at each precinct, that would be 4440 pollsters (1480 x 3) and yet another hand full of technicians to do the quick count, but let's go wild and say that the techs aren't pollsters and it would take yet another 2000 more. That brings the total to, 6440 (4440+2000).

Now, let's take a look at the difference, 2,194,570 to 6440 that's 340 times smaller. Which group would be easier to handle? Oh by the way, the 6440 are employed by one PRIVATE company. The 2.2 million would cross over thousands of jurisdictions of varying political parties and bias.

Then Matthew pressed the CRTL-C key to cut and paste yet another article;
Cobb Sues Blackwell in Federal Court over Ohio Recount

I replied with more FACTS to refute Cobb’s claims and I put Matthew, to task;

Why not try doing some research and stop just, cutting and pasting other people's articles.

I understand, the usefulness of cutting and pasting FACTS from various postings, but you're just using opinion and biased posting. Let me show you a better way...

You cut and pasted a paragraph or two from an article from the Green Party's website, http://www.votecobb.org/press/2004/dec/pr2004-12-02.php
Now you'd have to admit that it's a partisan view. But then again you're a liberal and you can bend common sense into liberal sense.

Now on the other hand, I went to the State of Ohio's Official election recount website http://election.sos.state.oh.us/results/RaceDetail.aspx?race=PP
and got the following results. (Those are what we'd like to call FACTS)

President/Vice President Office Candidate Party Votes % of
Votes Statewide Totals

Bush, George W. Republican 2,858,727 50.82%
Kerry, John F. Democratic 2,739,952 48.70%
Badnarik, Michael 4,695 0.26%
Peroutka, Michael Anthony 11,907 0.21%
Cobb, David Keith -WI 186 0.00%
Schriner, Joe -WI 114 0.00%
Harris, James -WI 22 0.00%
Duncan, Richard A. -WI 16 0.00%
Zych, Thomas F. -WI 10 0.00%
Parker, John T. -WI 2 0.00%
Precincts Reporting: 5,625,631 100.00%
Please note that your "proof candidate" got a total of 186 votes and Kerry gained 17,708 votes. That's including counting the provisional ballots.

Joel then took over the cut and pasting job, (I think Matthew’s fingers got tired) and posted a short line or two that was mostly a link to;


I hope you still with me. I know the trail is a bit bewildering, but I’m trying to establish a pattern here, no its not that Joel and Matthew are pretty good with the CTRL-C / CRTL-V keys... but you’re close. It’s the fact that they keep using postings from liberal biased BLOGGER sites, and presenting them as facts.

As it turns out, that link was to yet another left leaning website and I figured oh well I’ll read it, (it was almost verbatim copy of an article posted on www.onlinejournal.com.) I became very interested when I came across this tidbit within that article;

(A link to a PDF that is on buzzflash.com, Yep you guessed a leftist web-log site).

As I read it, I was preparing my retort to dispel the whole notion that a conspiracy could be planned back in 2000, to rig a future election by using, yet to be created software on yet to be designed terminals in yet to be announced states using Microsoft’s Visual Basic as a cross platform program (grin). I had a smile on my face…It was going to be an easy target. But then I came to the last two pages of this so called AFFIDAVIT. It was a flash back of CBS’s Memos. The last page doesn’t even come close to matching the other 3 pages the color of the paper was wrong the margins and the typeset didn’t match. But this fraud was in reverse, it was the bloggers faking the documents!

Now here’s the payoff, if we bloggers are to maintain or elevate our current status then we need to take a look at what we put out there and what our peers post and re-post. We need to make HONEST and RESPECTIVE commentary on the issues and if we can find facts to bolster our point of view then we should by all means use it.

All of us will sometimes find that we believe in an issue, a belief that goes right down to the core of our being, but we can’t prove it as fact. Now here is where we need to be able to accept it for what it is, a belief or theory that is not yet a fact. We should feel free to express it as an opinion. A valued opinion, but still just an opinion

But for goodness sake, we can never consider the manufacturing of facts or promote the use of those tainted facts by posting them elsewhere.

For the Leftist Liberals themselves, they have yet a deeper problem. They need to take a look at their whole approach. Maybe they should look for REAL conspiracies going on right in front of them, like the UN Oil for Food program or those 500 Chinese Christians that are killed every day. But alias Liberals only like to search for, or create conspiracies that just happen to coincide with their leftist agenda.

I expect and hope for hardy responses to this posting, but mind you, look at the point of this article and the issue at hand and please use facts to support your response because in turn I will.

I’ll leave you with this thought, many of you may disagree with my politics and outlook but hopefully none of you accept the concept “Do anything to win no matter what”. If we fall into that mind set, we won’t be protectors of the “New Media” but instead we’ll just be a bunch of Dan Rather’s presiding over the New CBS.

Posted to Rizzn.com / Buzzflash.com and hopefully online journal.com

12/17/2004 7:43 AM  

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