Tuesday, December 14, 2004

Washington Post Joins the Dissident Set!

And Drudge!
And Fox News!

Pinch me! Am I dreamin'?!

As I hit the "publish button" on the previous piece about The New York Times filing a serious report about election recount problems in Ohio, I was notified that tomorrow's Washington Post features a full report on scads of reported problems in Ohio! (Just six weeks late, and a day after the Electoral College cast it votes, but better late than never I guess!) Here's the MSNBC reprint for those not registered with WaPo.

To make matters even more incredible, the story is linked on Drudge! What the...?

But wait, that's not all! I heard that Cliff Arnebeck, the attorney who filed a brief with the Ohio Supreme Court to set aside the states election results due to irregularities and fraud, was on -- get this -- Hannity & Colmes tonight! (Hi, Alan! Long time no email!) UPDATE: Interview now online here.

What the hell is this world coming to?!...Its senses?!


Blogger understandinglife said...

Bravo Brad!

I think you, like Mr Arnebeck, Mr Bonifaz, Congressman Conyers and many others realize that the real show is 6 Jan 2005.

The waffle and roll-over of 6 Jan 2001 will not be repeated; our American franchise of democracy is on the line.

We must halt this fraudulent election and provide to each eligible citizen equitable access to vote and confidence that their vote is counted as they intended.

To permit any other outcome, now, is to flush our franchise and our Constitution into the sewer.


"When Did Bush Know?"

12/15/2004 12:15 AM  
Blogger understandinglife said...

Letter to WaPo:

Good evening Mr Powell and Mr Slevin,

"OH offers lessons for 2008" - perhaps, but much more immediate issues should be the focus of your journalism and should have been since 2 Nov 2004.

The national election of 2004 is far from over, gentlemen. And, many, many of us have every intention of bringing the process to a halt by 6 Jan 2005. We must not allow the systematic attack on our American franchise of democracy to succeed; we will not permit systemic disenfranchisement to prevail.

Where have you and all your media colleagues been since the 'red shift' of 2 Nov 2004? Where were you when folk from OH to NM were being disenfranchised? Why have you not been at the front of the line demanding Mitofsky release all raw exit poll data from 2 Nov 2004? Why have you not been reporting on the extensive Republican linkage to Diebold, Sequoia and ES&S? Why have you not been reporting to the 30 % of voters on 2 Nov 2004 that they have no way of knowing if their vote was recorded as they intended; counted as they intended? Where is your outrage over what was done to African American and student voters?

I suggest you listen to what Congresswoman Waters had to say on Randi Rhodes on 14 Dec 2004. Read the full text of Moss v Bush. Study carefully Congressman Conyers letter to the FBI regarding Triad. Begin defending our Constitution; our franchise of democracy before it is too late.


12/15/2004 12:38 AM  
Blogger James D. Taylor said...

At around 40% of the precincts reporting in Ohio, I saw David Cobb's votes go from around 10,000 down to ZERO.
After that, I started taking screenshots of the Ohio state departments website:

http://www.debatepoint.com/index2.htmlJames D Taylor
james.d.taylor () gmail.com

12/15/2004 2:30 AM  
Blogger jazzolog said...

All well and good media coverage is starting to happen, as BradBlogToo http://bradblogtoo.blogspot.com/ and Ray Beckerman http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/#110226258199324878 are pointing out today...BUT the headline is turning out to be "voting irregularities" and "problems." Might we query how such a mild frame is being selected? Do we not have before the House Judiciary Committee an affidavit and sworn testimony that Florida Republican Congressperson Tom Feeney commissioned Yang Enterprises to develop software to alter electronic voting machine tabulation illicitly in 1999? Might we inquire whether voting suppression and fraud have been REGULAR activities of Republican representatives ever since?

12/15/2004 3:45 AM  
Blogger louderlouder said...


You. Citizens of the United States of America are "dissidents"? You, the judges, the lawyers, the clergy, the press, elected representatives, the President and Vice President, my family members, your family members, ALL U.S. citizens... are "Dissidents"?

I strongly object to this ignorant label by the recent press. I defend ALL my fellow Americans in this charge. I believe it is OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT AND DUTY TO SPEAK AND CARRY THE WORD OF INJUSTICE TO OTHERS. Because I speak, I am now but a lowly "dissident"? Because we dare speak...?

I submit as fact, that the recent voting irregularities and charges in Ohio and several other states in our union are HEAVILY DOCUMENTED. Facts include sworn testimony by citizens and officials alike. Official election documents, election officials statements, rulings, actions and correspondence support the numerous charges. These discrepancies and charges are being reviewed and tried by several courts, including the Ohio Supreme Court.

The documented timelines of these irregular and questionable events date back well before the 2004 Presidential Election was held on November 2, 2004. While investigations are ongoing and several key investigations are yet incomplete, the evidence gathered suggests an indisputable likelyhood of widespread, organized, conspiracy to defraud the 2004 national vote.

The evidence in Ohio and several other states further suggests that this alleged conspiracy was indeed put into service and carried out. The evidence in Ohio and several other states further suggests that a conspiracy to coverup was indeed put into service and is currently being carried out. No one can argue that our 2004 election votes were accurately counted and recorded. No one.

The major media press organizations operating in the U.S.A. and around the World are fully aware of these alleged illegal events and the resultant proceedings. I repeat, FULLY AWARE! The evidence further suggests the major press organizations operating in the U.S.A. have no intention of ever covering these events and proceedings in an accurate and honorable way.

These trusted messengers in our failing democracy have turned against us, humble trusting citizens, and THEMSELVES, but humble citizens alike. They, like every voting age man and woman in America are now labeled "Dissidents" by their own words.

The press' largely unreported, skewed portrayal of facts, events and legal actions is lacking and undeserving of our support and attention. We, as 250,000,000+ citizens of our democracy deserve better and demand the best. They, the press, seek to hide, divide and label.

No one can argue the above facts are not documented and true. No one.

My fellow citizens, brothers and sisters, republicans and democrats, the rich, the poor, the black, the brown, the white, the old, the young, the crippled, the ill, the injured, the soldier... On the behalf of the blood of our dead before us, stand firm and speak. We, as citizens must now divorce our own trusted press and strike out for justice and democracy alone. For we are ALL now labeled "dissidents".

You, the major press in America, have now divorced your place in our democracy. You have no honor, value, purpose or useful voice. You have no resolve, no shame and no right.

I, but a common American citizen seeking fact, may never forgive you. I, a labeled dissident remain standing and speaking of the truth.

My apologies Brad...

12/15/2004 5:11 AM  
Blogger Firebrand said...

hmmm...the Wash Post MSNBC story is called "Ohio vote offers lessons for 2008"...so even in their entrance to the vote fraud movement...they are dismissing the vote issue....

A Ohio Supreme court case is still to be decided, allegations still to be confirmed, and the Wash Post is already declaring all efforts null and void, and just tells us to look toward 2008? What arrogant bastards.

12/15/2004 6:38 AM  
Blogger Winter Patriot said...

I respectfully disagree with "louderlouder" concerning the term "dissident". Let's face the fact. We ARE dissidents. We dissent. We disagree. We do not approve of the way in which this election was conducted and we are brave enough, honorable enough, to stand up [or sit down] and say so. It is our right, and our duty, to do so.

This nation was founded by dissidents. Dissidents have made huge contributions, all through its history. In my opinion we should embrace the title of "Dissident" and carry it proudly. Always.

12/15/2004 8:52 AM  
Blogger seattle said...

Connotation is almost more important than exact meaning (denotation?) in the propoganda wars. All I'm saying is that the word "Dissident" is a catchword, conjuring up images of Cold War Eastern Bloc elements like the followers of Lech Walensa or more currently, in the Western Press, the more pro-western elements in Kiev. I kind of like it... and it beats the hell out of being invisible. BTW Conyers has requested a MILLION EMAILS to encourage a bipartisan, formal investigation with subpoena power in Congress so... LET'S GIVE IT TO HIM!!!


12/15/2004 9:16 AM  
Blogger Dredd said...

Conyers has requested a MILLION EMAILS to encourage a bipartisan, formal investigation with subpoena power

I contacted him ... thanks for the reminder ...

C'mon folks tell everyone to contact them via the online form at:


12/15/2004 12:03 PM  
Blogger deborah said...

Well, of COURSE all the blowhards are talking about this -- they WANT the Judiciary to "investigate" things, not Conyers, not the Dems. They want the cards in Bush's hands. That's the way Ohio's Blackheart (sorry) is playing it, isn't it? They'll get all the reports, all the evidence -- and any agents who've given info they don't like will be exposed and quietly taken care of. This is part of the purge.

(A man burned himself in front of the White House. No one cared! )

What we need to do, what we CAN DO right now is spread the truth -- start now and don't stop. Take articles that speak truth from papers that our FOX and CNN-lulled citizens might actually read, print them out and put them under windshield wipers in parking lots -- store shelves, anywhere and everywhere. *We have to be the media now that isn't.*

aside: Do NOT take to the streets. They have stun guns that do crowds now, and the media won't say a word. No one will lift a finger.

12/15/2004 12:38 PM  
Blogger Dredd said...

The seriousness of some of the issues here can be grasped by reading 18 U.S.C. 1030 and the serious sentences (http://www.cybercrime.gov/cccases.html).

The voting machine is a 'computer' under the statute, and 'excess of access authority' would be one basis of a prosecution.

That is, even if someone has been given access to a voting machine (e.g. employee of Diebold or some other vote-machine maker) if they exceed the authority of their access right (by e.g. destroying or altering votes) it is a federal crime under this statute.

There may also be state laws they violate, but if a state refuses to prosecute the feds still could.

Especially in a presidential, congressional, or similar elections where federal offices are concerned.

12/15/2004 2:03 PM  
Blogger Dredd said...

Sorry, in my post above about I neglected to post the URL to the statute 18 U.S.C. 1030, which is:


12/15/2004 2:07 PM  
Blogger louderlouder said...

Then so be it fellow Americans. I am a dissident. A goddam card-carrying dissident. As a card-carrying dissident I've found a new and exciting power...

As a dissident, I am a responsible and thoroughly informed NEW citizen. As of this exact moment, my assets are frozen and being reinvested with my friends left of center. As a dissident, my monetary investments have just taken a sudden, very sharp, left turn. I feel enlightened and free. Born again. Praise the lord!

As a dissident, I shall withhold all future contributions. As a card carrying dissident, I cannot be EXPECTED to act as an in-discriminant American consumer of goods and services. So I won't.

Reorganization and forward thinking is the New World Order of today. Gone is the monthly phone bill with direct-connect. Gone is the television set and it's advertisers. Gone is ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, the rubbush clansmen, totalitarianism and Jerry Falwell!

Gone is the guilty enabling consumer what once was... The left holds a majority of over 60% of all consumer spending. I shall no longer wave dollars within reach of the wingnuts nor their greedy self-serving interests. I am a goddam dissident and by God almighty I'm going to act like one.

How much do you love me now wingnuts? Now that I am a labeled, card carrying dissident and not buying your products and services?

12/15/2004 2:30 PM  
Blogger Dredd said...

The AP is evidently spreading the news:


12/15/2004 4:04 PM  
Blogger whodoyoutrust said...

I tried getting to the site mentioned in a couple of previous comments (http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/contact.html). The page came up, but when I clicked on it, I was kicked off the Internet. I tried this, with the same result, 5 or 6 times. Then I went directly to the house website and navigated to judiciary comittee, minority party, and the same thing happened. Is anyone else having a similar problem? Am I paranoid for being suspicious about this?

12/15/2004 4:20 PM  
Blogger partridge said...

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/ works fine for me...

12/15/2004 6:11 PM  
Blogger whodoyoutrust said...

Thanks, Partridge. Thinking that I must be doing something wrong, I asked my husband, an engineer and computer scientist, to watch as I attempted to get to the site that was posted earlier. Once you get to the page that you say you got to, you cannot navigate or do anything. My husband says this has to have been written into the code of the house website. Are you actually able to comminicate via that page? Another interesting thing is this: Go to www.house.gov, then click on judiciary committee. There is then a button for "minority website." When you click on that, the Explorer shows that you are sent to "exit." (Or at least it does for me.) Would someone else please try this?

12/15/2004 6:41 PM  
Blogger seattle said...

Not paranoid... lots of traffic I'm sure... I posted that link on 8 or 10 regional blogs... ppl I haven't heard from in a long time are sending ME the link. This site was hit with a DoS attack... It took me two days to get into the Green Website recently... I've also noticed that links to additional information on sites reporting about the investigation will direct you into the nether realm... Right after 9-11 I surfed the web for alternative websites and found lots of them simply and mysteriously, NOT THERE. I tell people whose favorite alternative media sources aren't reporting on the Vote Fraud issue... be patient... YOU ARE NEXT. We're ALL (in the millions) going to have to stop this internet flirtation and MEET FOR COFFEE before Tenet's vision of taming the "Wild West" out of the Web, comes to pass.

12/15/2004 6:54 PM  
Blogger Dredd said...

Hey whodoyoutrust and seattle:

I just contacted Judiciary as follows:

To: The Honorable Committee on the Judiciary

Mr. Chairman,

Many citizens are disturbed that many on the committee are ignoring the serious evidence and allegations about the shameful situation in the state of Ohio.

Hearings have been scheduled there about serious vote problems ... the foundation of our republic ... and many on the committee are ignoring it.

This kind of crime is deplorable (18 USC 1030) ... there is sworn testimony already that Triad and Diebold are modifying computer internals during recount without specification of 1) what is really being done; 2)who ordered it to be done; and 3) why it must be done.

Please get this under control by full committee hearings in public.


You can do the same at:

12/16/2004 2:04 PM  
Blogger whodoyoutrust said...

Thank you, Dredd. I just followed your example and sent the message which follows at the end of this comment to the Judiciary Committee. However, I am still disturbed by my inability to communicate with the committee Dems via the House website. Please try it. When I get to the minority members' page and try to navigate, the title bar at the top of my browser dhanges to "exit," I get an error message, and I am kicked off the Internet -- every time, including last night and today. I believe that would occur only if someone had programmed it to do so. Has anyone you know of been successful in communicating with the House Dems via the House website?

Here's my message to the full committee:

To: The Honorable Committee on the Judiciary

Mr. Chairman,

It is becoming increasingly evident each day that some kind of coverup is going on in Ohio with respect to the recent election and the recount. The lack of attention being paid to that deplorable situation by our elected leaders is frightening. I assure you that out here, beyond the beltway, the rumblings are getting louder every day -- by a lot!

There are a few heroes who are trying hard to get to the truth, but by and large, the sitation is being ignored by those that we, the people, have entrusted with the responsibility to safeguard our democracy and its institutions.

Please take action immediately to ensure that we citizens can have confidence in the fairness of our elections and the intentions of our leaders. Please hold full committee meetings in public to investigate likely criminal wrongdoing in Ohio with respect to the 2004 presidential election, and let the chips fall where they may.


12/16/2004 3:09 PM  
Blogger BradF said...

whodoyoutrust asked:

"When I get to the minority members' page and try to navigate, the title bar at the top of my browser dhanges to "exit," I get an error message, and I am kicked off the Internet -- every time, including last night and today. I believe that would occur only if someone had programmed it to do so. Has anyone you know of been successful in communicating with the House Dems via the House website?"

I tried what you mentioned, whodoyoutrust. Went to the site via the Judiciary.House.Gov address, followed the "Minority" link and got that "Exiting Judiciary" message just before I was redirected to the www.House.gov/Judiciary_Democrats section.

It seemed to work fine and didn't kick me out at all.

Perhaps you are using a popup blocker, or some kind of software that disallow such re-directs?

12/16/2004 3:53 PM  
Blogger whodoyoutrust said...

Just a quick epilogue: I changed my browser from Explorer to Mozilla Firefox, and I was able to communicate with the Juciciary Dems. Not sure if it was just my browser or all Explorers. Thanks to all who helped me out with this.

12/17/2004 9:38 AM  
Blogger seattle said...

My son tells me government sites aren't allowed to even use Internet Explorer due to extreme vulnerability issues... so when I reformatted last week I switched up to Mozilla... I don't know if that has anything to do with it or not... just two cents. I'm not a "gizmo" guy.

So, they have to re-file to the supreme court in ohio over a manufactured issue with no legal precedent because they didn't want to set a precedent? What does THAT mean? The Greens encountered a county that suspended the 3% recount and cleared the building because it wouldn't give them matching results; and are having Triad deliver a tally machine that WILL give them the results they want? How transparent is that? I swear, all of these people are above the law.

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